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Devil#20 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: Imperial Spanners

Or wrenches as I understand the correct name for them.

Anyway, I've got a Heinz 57 of imperial spanners that I've inherited or picked up from car boot sales etc and some are Whitworth and some are BSF and some are something altogether different. Now a 7/16 Whitworth isn't the same as a 7/16 BSF (it's the same as a 1/2 inch BSF). These various spanners I've got are of vastly differing quality. Some are excellent but some are obviously crap and burred or slightly splayed.

Now I was thinking if I got a set of one make imperial spanners I'd cover all Whitworth and BSF in one go. I saw on eblagger that an outlet was selling new King Dick (ooh mrs) spanners in imperial sizes. Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't King Dick rebranded as Britool years ago therefore they can't really be new. King Dick spanners were allegedly good quality spanners but I'm not so sure these aren't just cheap copies. So the question is who does actually make decent imperial spanners nowadays. My local tool factors stock Teng, Britool, Facom, Wrenchworks, Gedore plus others. Anyone recommend any top notch spanners. You generally get what you pay for with tools, in my opinion, so no point buying cheapo monkey metal ones.
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Joskin · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:39 am Post subject:

WRENCHES !!!! i say we'll be having none of that damded talk , we're British you know ...... SPANNERS sir, spanners !!!

I have a load of old King Dick , snail brand etc etc and while they are very thick and will take untold abuse without bending or splaying, they just dont seem to grip like modern ones .

I had started a reasonable collection of snap on a few years back but they got knicked so i decided to go for a slightly cheaper option...

Teng was my first choice and i still have a full set of teng combination spanners, they are good quality and grip well but aren't the most comfortable to use due to them being quite thin.
Gedore i use at work and i really rate them , the fittings on our rigs are all imperial (being made in the U.S) and i've gradually built up a comprehensive tool kit made up of Gedore and Kennedy.

If i was going to buy a full set of spanners now for myself i would probably go for Gedore, for me they seem to grip well and undo nuts that lesser spanners would slip on.

If i was fitting out a tool kit that was going to be used by all and sundry, then get left in the back of the van for weeks covered in mud and crap there is no question , i'd buy Draper expert because they do the job and are really good value for money tools.

Screwdrivers , i've a drawer full of screwdrivers but since buying a set of Snap On one's the drawer rarely gets opened , its difficult to describe why they are better they just are.... put it like this , i nearly fainted when the rep told me that the set was just over a hundred quid Shocked

but i'd still say now that it was money well spent and more importantly i rekon i will still say that about them in 10 yrs time.
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AlexB · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:25 am Post subject:

the king dick ones on eblag are open ended. (ex military ish) I prefer combinations (esp in the winter) Laughing

Bog Hog · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:58 am Post subject:

I`ll second the Gedore recomendation, all my metric spanners / sockets are Gedore.
For imperial sizes in `King Dick` there`s a website called `The Imperial tool company`there`s a link on the Series 2 club website, it`s just a club member who sells them from home, from what i`ve seen they`re good quality but not cheap.
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west4x4 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:13 am Post subject:

try snap on blue point same quality same guarente but a third of the price!

macfross · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject:

hi,

The quality of the tools you buy really depend how much you use them. No point haveing the best if they only get used once a year. I use my tools for work and i therfore buy mostly snap on. By buying this sort of quality if i have life time Guarantee which means if i break or the chrome or any other problem i can change these without any problem anywhere in the world. If you are using them for DIY use then i would say something of the quality like Britool, Facom and Gedore are very good. Also some of the Halfords range are good. One of the best places to buy good tools is if you or any friends go to USA go to SEARS and buy USA craftsman [url]http://www.sears.com/shc/s/c_10153_12605_Tools_Wrenches%2C%20Ratchets%20%26%20Sockets?adCell=WF
these are very good and not expensive and are guaranteed for ever

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macfross · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

gardener_44 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject:

I use the Halfords Pro range, they are not bad.
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bigblue · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject:

Whitworth are a different size to AF spanners as different as metric spanners are, the difference is small but it makes all the difference to rounding the nut or bolt head,
Diff
This shows the difference in sizes between the sizes, makes the world of difference to the spanner not slipping off etc
The first column is the size difference
second is metric size
third imperial(Thou)
4th spanner size

2.97 0.117 10BA
0.23 3.20 0.126 3.2mm M1.6
0.13 3.33 0.131 9BA
0.53 3.86 0.152 8BA
0.11 3.97 0.156 5/32 AF No.0 UNC
0.03 4.00 0.157 4mm M2
0.37 4.37 0.172 7BA
0.39 4.76 0.188 3/16 AF No.2 UNC
0.14 4.90 0.193 6BA
0.10 5.00 0.197 5mm M2.5
0.50 5.50 0.217 5.5mm M3
0.06 5.56 0.219 7/32 AF
0.03 5.59 0.220 5BA
0.37 5.95 0.234 15/64 AF
0.05 6.00 0.236 6mm M3.5*
0.30 6.30 0.248 4BA
0.05 6.35 0.250 1/4 AF No.4 UNC
0.65 7.00 0.276 7mm M4
0.14 7.14 0.281 9/32 AF
0.02 7.16 0.282 3BA
0.77 7.94 0.313 5/16 AF No.6 UNC & No.10 UNC (bolt)
0.06 8.00 0.315 8mm M5
0.23 8.23 0.324 2BA
0.36 8.59 0.338 1/8 W; 3/16 BSF
0.15 8.73 0.344 11/32 AF No.8 UNC
0.27 9.00 0.354 9mm
0.27 9.27 0.365 1BA
0.25 9.53 0.375 3/8 AF No.10 UNC (nut)
0.48 10.00 0.394 10mm M6
0.49 10.49 0.413 0BA
0.51 11.00 0.433 11mm M7*
0.11 11.11 0.438 7/16 AF 1/4 UNF
0.19 11.30 0.445 3/16 W; 1/4 BSF
0.70 12.00 0.472 12mm
0.70 12.70 0.500 1/2 AF 5/16 UNF
0.30 13.00 0.512 13mm M8
0.33 13.34 0.525 1/4 W; 5/16 BSF
0.67 14.00 0.551 14mm
0.29 14.29 0.563 9/16 AF 3/8 UNF
0.71 15.00 0.591 15mm
0.24 15.24 0.600 5/16 W; 3/8 BSF
0.64 15.88 0.625 5/8 AF 7/16 UNF (bolt)
0.13 16.00 0.630 16mm
1.00 17.00 0.669 17mm M10
0.46 17.46 0.688 11/16 AF 7/16 UNF (nut)
0.54 18.00 0.709 18mm
0.03 18.03 0.710 3/8 W; 7/16 BSF
0.97 19.00 0.748 19mm M12
0.05 19.05 0.750 3/4 AF 1/2 UNF
0.95 20.00 0.787 20mm
0.64 20.64 0.813 13/16 AF 9/16 UNF (bolt)
0.19 20.83 0.820 7/16 W; 1/2 BSF
0.17 21.00 0.827 21mm
1.00 22.00 0.866 22mm M14*
0.22 22.23 0.875 7/8 AF 9/16 UNF (nut)
0.78 23.00 0.906 23mm
0.37 23.37 0.920 1/2 W; 9/16 BSF
0.44 23.81 0.938 15/16 AF 5/8 UNF
0.19 24.00 0.945 24mm M16
1.00 25.00 0.984 25mm
0.40 25.40 1.000 1 AF
0.25 25.65 1.010 9/16 W; 5/8 BSF
0.35 26.00 1.024 26mm
0.99 26.99 1.063 1-1/16 AF
0.01 27.00 1.063 27mm M18*
0.94 27.94 1.100 5/8 W; 11/16 BSF
0.06 28.00 1.102 28mm
0.57 28.58 1.125 1-1/8 AF 3/4 UNF
1.43 30.00 1.181 30mm M20
0.48 30.48 1.200 11/16 W; 3/4 BSF
1.27 31.75 1.250 1-1/4 AF
0.25 32.00 1.260 32mm M22*
1.02 33.02 1.300 3/4 W; 7/8 BSF
0.32 33.34 1.313 1-5/16 AF 7/8 UNF
0.66 34.00 1.339 34mm
1.31 35.31 1.390 13/16 W?
0.69 36.00 1.417 36mm M24
0.51 36.51 1.438 1-7/16 AF
1.08 37.59 1.480 7/8 W; 1 BSF
0.41 38.00 1.496 38mm
0.10 38.10 1.500 1-1/2 AF 1 UNF
2.03 40.13 1.580 15/16 W?
0.87 41.00 1.614 41mm M27*
0.27 41.28 1.625 1-5/8 AF
1.14 42.42 1.670 1 W; 1-1/8 BSF
0.44 42.86 1.688 1-11/16 AF 1-1/8 UNF
3.14 46.00 1.811 46mm M30
0.04 46.04 1.813 1-13/16 AF
1.21 47.24 1.860 1-1/8 W; 1-1/4 BSF
0.38 47.63 1.875 1-7/8 AF 1-1/4 UNF
2.38 50.00 1.969 50mm M33*
0.80 50.80 2.000 2 AF
1.27 52.07 2.050 1-1/4 W; 1-3/8 BSF
0.32 52.39 2.063 2-1/16 AF 1-3/8 UNF
2.61 55.00 2.165 55mm M36
0.56 55.56 2.188 2-3/16 AF
0.83 56.39 2.220 1-3/8 W; 1-1/2 BSF
0.76 57.15 2.250 2-1/4 AF 1-1/2 UNF
2.85 60.00 2.362 60mm M39*
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Mr Scruff · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:

Laser do decent AF spanners, I got a set when I bought the 80". No problems yet. For the steam stuff we used mostly very old stuff bought at sales or from secondhand tool suppliers.
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Devil#20 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject:

johnpirate · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject:

I,ve got a fairly eclectic mix of spanners.I have been collecting them for over 35 years A few Gedore inherited from my father.A lot of Halford professional Britool,Laser most recent ones have been Clarke professional and Magnussons.I cant justify the cost of Snap on or King Dick which are about the same price.
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climbingchris · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject:

What big blue posted but in a handy downloadable pdf [url=http://www.climbingchris.f9.co.uk/other/Spanner conversion/British Association.pdf]here[/url]
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kev · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject:

Who on earth would start a thread about spanners.............
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Devil#20 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject:

kev · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject:

Devil#20 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject:

series3chick · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject:

I'm going to be completely honest here, and I know there's a whole pile of abuse coming my way, but I re-built Betsy using 3 adjustables I got in a pack from Lidls as I left my toolbox in the middle of a field in Devon.
About £6, score!

(I did lose about £300 forgetting that ammo box mind)

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series3chick · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject:

Oh no, I had a set of sockets I bought from the pound shop (honest!!) and a few screw drivers. There were other tools for doing the more specific jobs (brakes, aligning the new clutch etc) but that was the guts of it. Smile

Devil#20 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject:

5988 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject:

i agree,....useful for throwing at things to relieve stress though

and useful to have a set sat on the dash for when things go wrong ....or an entire tool set in the back (complete set of spanners for 10p each ....i don't think ive got a spanner younger than me in that lot - all come from either auto jumbles or ones tat were getting thrown out)....dont mind hitting them with a big hammer then either

hallii · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject:

Most of my spanners have got an arrow and W.D. on them. Proper spanners they are no gay chrome on them.

My imperial socket set is 50 years old, and I bought it new !

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Lurch · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:27 am Post subject:

Devil#20 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

Comprehensive is the word I'd use.
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